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Post by wrestleon on Jan 23, 2017 11:55:12 GMT -5
I hope you all realize these rankings are very inaccurate.
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Post by JimmyM on Jan 23, 2017 12:37:13 GMT -5
Some people from SK tried to hijack the rankings so here are the rankings I posted a few days ago with a few quick updates listed at the bottom. Sorry if I missed anything just wanted to put something up in order to eliminate any confusion caused by the very biased rankings put up by SK.
106
1) Fallon LSA
2) Holland Pil
3) Lavallee John
4) Reilley Cumb
5) Fry Cov
6) Iacabucci BH
113
1) Williams BH
2) Merritt Char
3) Passante Cumb
4) Watts Pil
5) Rodrick CE
6) McGovern LSA
120
1)Hussey EP
2) Nappi BH
3)Clarke Cov
4)Porcaro Cumb
5) Wheeler NP
6) Castaldi PIL
HM Lenoard Barr
126
1) Caltagirone Cov
2) Gaudiana LSA
3) McDowell Woon
4) Bonanno West
5) Faria Cumb
132
1) Brown Cov
2) Zuller Pil
3) Bautista Cumb
4) Van Horn Chario
5) Hamilton WW
6) Villanova Pono
HM Rizzo
138
1) Rivet BH
2) Andrews Pon
3) Duckworth SK
4) Young Cov
5) Myers Narr
6) Dumas Char
145
1)Disano BH
2) Bloom MB
3) Lynch Pon
4) Holdredge Wstr
5) Dougherty Char
6) Baccalla John
152
1) McGill Pon
2) Teves MB
3) Charleson LSA
5) Brown NK
4) Tougas Cumb
6) Anderson Char
160
1) Peckham Pono
2) Potter Pil
3) Sangare Cumb
4) Harrison LSA
5) Bauchannan Mt. P
6) Metcalf Cov
170
1) Jarrell EG
2) Macomber Pon
3) Hayes Cumb
4) Lancaster Mt. H
5) Arcand BH
6) Parton Pil
182
1) Wrezesion Char
2) Balon Linc
3) Riggs Pon
4) Ladas SK
5) Calise LSA
6) Kavanaugh Pil
195
1) Thibadeau Mt. H
2) DelBonis LSA
3) Gincastro NK
4) Sangare Cumb
5) Douherty Char
6) Amirault TG
220
1) Fenwick Cov
2) Ruggeri NK
3) Salas Hope
4) Cayo Tol
5) Taft Mt H
6) Circa Pon
285
1) Brown NK
2) Cole BH
3) Wilcox Cumb
4) Brayall Linc
5) Kenney John
6) Martin NP
Hayes over Lancaster @ 170
Nappi @ 120 (120 is officially a meat grinder), Faria to 6th at 126
Metcalf over Madden @ 160
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Post by Wildfire on Jan 23, 2017 13:04:58 GMT -5
Nappi has been at 120 for the last couple duals and it will be reflected in the next rankings. Frye 106 Cov will be in finals if he's back & healthy. Not sure if he has what it takes to beat Fallon, but he's definitely a contender. Nappi has wrestled 126 all season. The only meet he could've wrestled 120 would've been last night tri against Johnston who has a forfeit @ 120, 126 & LSA Guadiana 126 who he could potentially meet in finals @ states. Coincidence? Does anyone know what weight he's wrestling today? With him not having power points from last year makes sense to go 126 considering that's where his power points for more than 1/2 the season this year comes from. If Hussey comes back 120 is a pretty deep weight class & would be easier for Nappi placing top 3 @ 126. Metcalf Cov 160 should be ranked. He's beaten SK & has 2 close decisions earlier in the season that could've gone either way. Glad to hear Martino BH will be taking his talents to the football field. He is a good athlete & great kid. Would've liked to see him take states this year though. My issue is that these rankings are not supposed to be a wish list. They are supposed to be based on duel meet results, tournament head to heads, and State paper. No, Middle School states do not count. I'm not seeing consistency in these rankings... |
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Post by JimmyM on Jan 23, 2017 13:20:16 GMT -5
Frye 106 Cov will be in finals if he's back & healthy. Not sure if he has what it takes to beat Fallon, but he's definitely a contender. Nappi has wrestled 126 all season. The only meet he could've wrestled 120 would've been last night tri against Johnston who has a forfeit @ 120, 126 & LSA Guadiana 126 who he could potentially meet in finals @ states. Coincidence? Does anyone know what weight he's wrestling today? With him not having power points from last year makes sense to go 126 considering that's where his power points for more than 1/2 the season this year comes from. If Hussey comes back 120 is a pretty deep weight class & would be easier for Nappi placing top 3 @ 126. Metcalf Cov 160 should be ranked. He's beaten SK & has 2 close decisions earlier in the season that could've gone either way. Glad to hear Martino BH will be taking his talents to the football field. He is a good athlete & great kid. Would've liked to see him take states this year though. My issue is that these rankings are not supposed to be a wish list. They are supposed to be based on duel meet results, tournament head to heads, and State paper. No, Middle School states do not count. I'm not seeing consistency in these rankings... Tough line to walk. Two New England Champions have net wrestled this year (Bloom, Fenwick), should they be left off the rankings? If so then the discussion moves to kids like Teves and Hussey who are established High School wrestlers that we can expect to place high but are out with injuries. Even further if the answer to including kids such as Teves and Hussey is yes, then the discussion moves to kids such as Fry who is injured but is very likely to place at states this year, and is a stronger wrestler than anyone we could move up to his spot if we removed him from rankings. Please note Fry is not ranked ahead of anyone with state papers, only ahead of wrestlers with no ranked victories in dual meets. If a majority of the community shares your view on this issue then I am more than willing to adjust the rankings accordingly. I just need to know where everyone wants me to draw the line. I 100% understand having issue with someone who has never wrestled a high school match being ranked but is that where everyone expects the line to be drawn or should established high school wrestlers not currently wrestling in dual meets also take a hit in the rankings? |
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Post by mikepeters on Jan 23, 2017 13:56:08 GMT -5
My issue is that these rankings are not supposed to be a wish list. They are supposed to be based on duel meet results, tournament head to heads, and State paper. No, Middle School states do not count. I'm not seeing consistency in these rankings... Tough line to walk. Two New England Champions have net wrestled this year (Bloom, Fenwick), should they be left off the rankings? If so then the discussion moves to kids like Teves and Hussey who are established High School wrestlers that we can expect to place high but are out with injuries. Even further if the answer to including kids such as Teves and Hussey is yes, then the discussion moves to kids such as Fry who is injured but is very likely to place at states this year, and is a stronger wrestler than anyone we could move up to his spot if we removed him from rankings. Please note Fry is not ranked ahead of anyone with state papers, only ahead of wrestlers with no ranked victories in dual meets. If a majority of the community shares your view on this issue then I am more than willing to adjust the rankings accordingly. I just need to know where everyone wants me to draw the line. I 100% understand having issue with someone who has never wrestled a high school match being ranked but is that where everyone expects the line to be drawn or should established high school wrestlers not currently wrestling in dual meets also take a hit in the rankings? Are we sure Bloom and Teves are going 45 and 52? Also, I think an argument could be made that if Bloom is going 145 he should be #1 over Disano. I think the same could be said for Teves at 152 over McGill. |
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Post by gatorroll on Jan 23, 2017 13:59:36 GMT -5
Some people from SK tried to hijack the rankings so here are the rankings I posted a few days ago with a few quick updates listed at the bottom. Sorry if I missed anything just wanted to put something up in order to eliminate any confusion caused by the very biased rankings put up by SK. 106 1) Fallon LSA 2) Holland Pil 3) Lavallee John 4) Reilley Cumb 5) Fry Cov 6) Iacabucci BH 113 1) Williams BH 2) Merritt Char 3) Passante Cumb 4) Watts Pil 5) Rodrick CE 6) McGovern LSA 120 1)Hussey EP 2) Nappi BH 3)Clarke Cov 4)Porcaro Cumb 5) Wheeler NP 6) Castaldi PIL HM Lenoard Barr 126 1) Caltagirone Cov 2) Gaudiana LSA 3) A.Rizzo NP 4) McDowell Woon 5) Bonanno West 6) Faria Cumb 132 1) Brown Cov 2) Zuller Pil 3) Bautista Cumb 4) Van Horn Chario 5) Hamilton WW 6) Villanova Pono 138 1) Rivet BH 2) Andrews Pon 3) Duckworth SK 4) Young Cov 5) Myers Narr 6) Dumas Char 145 1)Disano BH 2) Bloom MB 3) Lynch Pon 4) Holdredge Wstr 5) Dougherty Char 6) Baccalla John 152 1) McGill Pon 2) Teves MB 3) Charleson LSA 5) Brown NK 4) Tougas Cumb 6) Anderson Char 160 1) Peckham Pono 2) Potter Pil 3) Sangare Cumb 4) Harrison LSA 5) Bauchannan Mt. P 6) Metcalf Cov 170 1) Jarrell EG 2) Macomber Pon 3) Hayes Cumb 4) Lancaster Mt. H 5) Arcand BH 6) Parton Pil 182 1) Wrezesion Char 2) Balon Linc 3) Riggs Pon 4) Ladas SK 5) Calise LSA 6) Kavanaugh Pil 195 1) Thibadeau Mt. H 2) DelBonis LSA 3) Hunt NP 4) Gincastro NK 5) Sangare Cumb 6) Amirault TG 220 1) Fenwick Cov 2) Ruggeri NK 3) Salas Hope 4) Cayo Tol 5) Taft Mt H 6) Circa Pon 285 1) Brown NK 2) Cole BH 3) Wilcox Cumb 4) Brayall Linc 5) Kenney John 6) Martin NP Hayes over Lancaster @ 170 Nappi @ 120 (120 is officially a meat grinder), Faria to 6th at 126 Metcalf over Madden @ 160 Dougherty 195 pinned Amirault |
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Post by mwill88 on Jan 23, 2017 14:01:36 GMT -5
My issue is that these rankings are not supposed to be a wish list. They are supposed to be based on duel meet results, tournament head to heads, and State paper. No, Middle School states do not count. I'm not seeing consistency in these rankings... Tough line to walk. Two New England Champions have net wrestled this year (Bloom, Fenwick), should they be left off the rankings? If so then the discussion moves to kids like Teves and Hussey who are established High School wrestlers that we can expect to place high but are out with injuries. Even further if the answer to including kids such as Teves and Hussey is yes, then the discussion moves to kids such as Fry who is injured but is very likely to place at states this year, and is a stronger wrestler than anyone we could move up to his spot if we removed him from rankings. Please note Fry is not ranked ahead of anyone with state papers, only ahead of wrestlers with no ranked victories in dual meets. If a majority of the community shares your view on this issue then I am more than willing to adjust the rankings accordingly. I just need to know where everyone wants me to draw the line. I 100% understand having issue with someone who has never wrestled a high school match being ranked but is that where everyone expects the line to be drawn or should established high school wrestlers not currently wrestling in dual meets also take a hit in the rankings? I agree with ranking kids who haven't wrestled this season going on their previous history however; we aren't for sure what weight they will be wrestling. Bloom, Teves, Hussey & Fenwick will all be top 3 placers whatever weight they go. As for Fry, he's a freshman & high school is much different from middle school, but seeing he's wrestling 106 I see him in the finals. Hopefully they seed accordingly w/ him & Fallon on opposite sides @ states. I haven't seen Nappi wrestle anyone @ 126 or 120 that would put him @ #2 120. He won states @ 106 two years ago, but didn't wrestle last year & as I said hasn't had any competition yet this year to place him that high. Ranking him 6th seems legit seeing he will be seeing some tougher kids @ 120 over the next few weeks & can work his way up. McDowell Woon 126 beat Rizzo NP @ the NP tournament. Rizzo is not wrestling 126 & has been 132. Bautista Cumb 132 will most likely be in the finals giving Brown a run for his money w/ Brown on top. Hunt NP 195 is out for the season w/ injury. Good job w/ much more accurate rankings. Clearly someone has high hopes for SK & their #1 fan. |
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Post by JimmyM on Jan 23, 2017 15:07:42 GMT -5
Dougherty over Amirault @ 195, Hunt out for year @ 195, Rizzo @ 132, all fixed. Rizzo moving up to 132 left #6 at 126 empty I'll fix it later am open to suggestions.
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Post by switch1 on Jan 23, 2017 16:34:04 GMT -5
I was interested in the results of the Ponaganset v Mt Hope match. I know Ponaganset won but I was trying to see what happened at the 160,170, and182 matches. Did Macomber beat Lancaster? Judging by the new rankings I would guess so. The match has not been posted on RiiL yet. Anyone know?
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Post by wrestleon on Jan 24, 2017 10:10:22 GMT -5
Faria was beaten by 126 from Pilgrim.
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Post by shoot2score on Jan 25, 2017 9:47:19 GMT -5
These rankings are a joke. Everybody knows that rankings, especially on this forum are useless. These kids will decide their fate on the mat in states and New England's. I truly hope none of these young wrestlers read this crap and believe it. And the other thing, who gives a crap who sits out (due to injury or illness or whatever) and who ducks who. If you wanna win states and new england's (or whatever your goal is in these tournaments) then you have to beat the best. I saw someone say its unfair to mess up a kids "ride to the finals" because someone sat out the season and wrestled in states! Are you kidding me? Enough of this participation trophy crap. Only in this state does this happen. If a kid wants to get the to finals or place then he should earn it no matter who shows up to wrestle. Plain and simple. I know I never wanted to get an easy ride, but hey that was then and this is now.
I have to say..... all this ranking talk is pretty entertaining
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Post by chariho2017 on Jan 25, 2017 12:21:44 GMT -5
Some people from SK tried to hijack the rankings so here are the rankings I posted a few days ago with a few quick updates listed at the bottom. Sorry if I missed anything just wanted to put something up in order to eliminate any confusion caused by the very biased rankings put up by SK. 106 1) Fallon LSA 2) Holland Pil 3) Lavallee John 4) Reilley Cumb 5) Fry Cov 6) Iacabucci BH 113 1) Williams BH 2) Merritt Char 3) Passante Cumb 4) Watts Pil 5) Rodrick CE 6) McGovern LSA 120 1)Hussey EP 2) Nappi BH 3)Clarke Cov 4)Porcaro Cumb 5) Wheeler NP 6) Castaldi PIL HM Lenoard Barr 126 1) Caltagirone Cov 2) Gaudiana LSA 3) McDowell Woon 4) Bonanno West 5) Faria Cumb 132 1) Brown Cov 2) Zuller Pil 3) Bautista Cumb 4) Van Horn Chario 5) Hamilton WW 6) Villanova Pono HM Rizzo 138 1) Rivet BH 2) Andrews Pon 3) Duckworth SK 4) Young Cov 5) Myers Narr 6) Dumas Char 145 1)Disano BH 2) Bloom MB 3) Lynch Pon 4) Holdredge Wstr 5) Dougherty Char 6) Baccalla John 152 1) McGill Pon 2) Teves MB 3) Charleson LSA 5) Brown NK 4) Tougas Cumb 6) Anderson Char 160 1) Peckham Pono 2) Potter Pil 3) Sangare Cumb 4) Harrison LSA 5) Bauchannan Mt. P 6) Metcalf Cov 170 1) Jarrell EG 2) Macomber Pon 3) Hayes Cumb 4) Lancaster Mt. H 5) Arcand BH 6) Parton Pil 182 1) Wrezesion Char 2) Balon Linc 3) Riggs Pon 4) Ladas SK 5) Calise LSA 6) Kavanaugh Pil 195 1) Thibadeau Mt. H 2) DelBonis LSA 3) Gincastro NK 4) Sangare Cumb 5) Douherty Char 6) Amirault TG 220 1) Fenwick Cov 2) Ruggeri NK 3) Salas Hope 4) Cayo Tol 5) Taft Mt H 6) Circa Pon 285 1) Brown NK 2) Cole BH 3) Wilcox Cumb 4) Brayall Linc 5) Kenney John 6) Martin NP Hayes over Lancaster @ 170 Nappi @ 120 (120 is officially a meat grinder), Faria to 6th at 126 Metcalf over Madden @ 160 Jeremy Ryan 126 Chariho pinned Faria in 2nd round |
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Post by shoot2score on Jan 25, 2017 14:32:49 GMT -5
Your right Broken Arrow. No question someone put a lot of time into these rankings. Unlike other states and USA wrestling where wrestlers wins/loss records talk and popularity walks these rankings are not completely accurate? These rankings themselves are based partially on favoritism plain and simple. Yes that is my personal opinion and that's why I think its a joke. Submit data? Where are the official records of all these kids? How can you have accurate data when some matches haven't even been posted? Anyway you're right it's my opinion, I just hope that our young wrestlers aren't reading these and thinking, "Oh I'm #1 on the RI forum" or "I'm not ranked on the RI forum" and letting it affect their season. These mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. That is all, it's more about adults reading it that the kids I hope. Anyone can be beat on any given day and these rankings aren't gonna help you.
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Post by rulesguy on Jan 25, 2017 14:56:37 GMT -5
Your right Broken Arrow. No question someone put a lot of time into these rankings. Unlike other states and USA wrestling where wrestlers wins/loss records talk and popularity walks these rankings are not completely accurate? These rankings themselves are based partially on favoritism plain and simple. Yes that is my personal opinion and that's why I think its a joke. Submit data? Where are the official records of all these kids? How can you have accurate data when some matches haven't even been posted? Anyway you're right it's my opinion, I just hope that our young wrestlers aren't reading these and thinking, "Oh I'm #1 on the RI forum" or "I'm not ranked on the RI forum" and letting it affect their season. These mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. That is all, it's more about adults reading it that the kids I hope. Anyone can be beat on any given day and these rankings aren't gonna help you. So one post ago you are worried about the "participation trophy" mindset of today's youth implying that they are soft. Then the next post you are empathizing with them and hoping that they aren't letting someone's post on a rankings thread, that in the long run means absolutely nothing, affect their performance on the mat. So which is it? Do they need to get tougher and fight through the competition? Or, does this thread need to be more objective and consider that they may hurt someone's feelings? |
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Post by mikepeters on Jan 25, 2017 15:18:48 GMT -5
These rankings are a joke. Everybody knows that rankings, especially on this forum are useless. These kids will decide their fate on the mat in states and New England's. I truly hope none of these young wrestlers read this crap and believe it. And the other thing, who gives a crap who sits out (due to injury or illness or whatever) and who ducks who. If you wanna win states and new england's (or whatever your goal is in these tournaments) then you have to beat the best. I saw someone say its unfair to mess up a kids "ride to the finals" because someone sat out the season and wrestled in states! Are you kidding me? Enough of this participation trophy crap. Only in this state does this happen. If a kid wants to get the to finals or place then he should earn it no matter who shows up to wrestle. Plain and simple. I know I never wanted to get an easy ride, but hey that was then and this is now. I have to say..... all this ranking talk is pretty entertaining 1. Your son isn't ranked. We get it. 2. This is wrestling. There are no "participation trophies". You're thinking of soccer. 3. Your "the youth of today" BS makes me think of my grandfather who used to say the same about my generation. |
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Post by wrestleon on Jan 26, 2017 11:02:22 GMT -5
When you look at the points that are supposed to be used for these rankings many weight classes still don't make sense at all. But we all have our hopes.
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Post by JimmyM on Jan 26, 2017 13:10:28 GMT -5
When you look at the points that are supposed to be used for these rankings many weight classes still don't make sense at all. But we all have our hopes. Post your suggested corrections and i'll take a look. If you believe you can do a better job than feel free to take over but I have very little stake in who is ranked where so in the meantime please stop suggesting that these rankings are biased in any way. If you disagree with the methodology that is one thing but I think its pretty clear there is very little if any bias here. |
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Post by JimmyM on Jan 26, 2017 14:14:37 GMT -5
Post your suggested corrections and i'll take a look. If you believe you can do a better job than feel free to take over but I have very little stake in who is ranked where so in the meantime please stop suggesting that these rankings are biased in any way. If you disagree with the methodology that is one thing but I think its pretty clear there is very little if any bias here. Funkroll for the most part your rankings are statistically accurate. Of course people have their favorites & high hopes, but at the end of the day one can only go on documented facts. Looking @ some weights I see kids who should place higher in states than what they are ranked, but again, you're going on stats & it is what it is. Once a wrestler has beat another ranked kid, I've seen them move up in the rankings weather it was due to poor officiating or a lucky stick they should automatically move up & they have. Everyone has a rite to their opinion & regardless of the projected rankings done by stats anything can happen in this sport & the state title is up for grabs. Come states the wrestlers will show up & decide who is deserving of placing. As you said, if you missed something or someone disagrees w/ these rankings & has valid stats then they should pin point their issue instead of just complaining because a favorite of theirs is not mentioned. Over all good job w/ rankings & best of luck to ALL RI wrestlers the rest of the season, states & NE. Thank you, very well said. |
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Post by JimmyM on Jan 26, 2017 14:15:07 GMT -5
Soares pinned Nappi @ 126 will be factored into next rankings.
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Post by granbyroll1 on Jan 26, 2017 14:15:30 GMT -5
At 52 Brown from Toll Gate beat Anderson from Chariho and Majored Brown from NK. Deasley from TG lost a close desicion to soares from Pilgrim who just pinned Nappi at 126. All three of these should add to the mix at 52 and 26.
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