2016 - 2017 Rankings

[wrestleon]

I know everyone has their predictions but who do you think are some of the dark horses this season?

[tap1]

Jan 12, 2017 3:06:45 GMT -5 hicpunch said:

Observations

Both Sangare and Tougas have wrestled 152 and 160 since their first dual meet. (Cumberland)

Rizzo has wrestled 132 since the North Providence Tournament where he lost to McDowell in the semis and then just beat a freshman from hope, Cooper, in the 3rd/4th round matcn. He won in triple overtime. (NP)

How is Peckham Ranked #1. He lost to 160 freshman state champ from last year Amoyide (spelled wrong) in the first round of the North Providence Tournament . Peckham did beat him 3-2 in the 3rd/4th round match. The kid from hope is now wrestling 152. Peckham shouldnt be ranked #1 or Hope Kid kid should be ranked at 152

Eckert from pilgrim has two losses to two non ranked kids at the sc tournament, should he be ranked?

Unless Chariho is trying for one loss special circumstance
.. against Pong, Dougherty went 145 against Lynch and Anderson went 152 against Cole, that, that should be where they going for states

The 106 from BH went 113 at Pilgrim Futures tournament and didn't even get a medal, his he really #6 at 106?

Since Burr goes to no tournaments, their 145 Gosselin getting no love. Be careful about him

Any news on Fenwick or Estrella?

Is Farrell that good to just come back to the sport with no wrestling half the year and be ranked #1, right away? Was he hurt? (Eg 170)

Any new news on bloom or tieves?

Any news on Hussey?

Onajide, Ayomide did not win Freshman States. He lost to Riggs from Pono.
I wouldn't underestimate Peckham.

[JimmyM]

Rankings 1/15/17

106

1) Fallon LSA
2) Holland Pil
3) Lavallee John
4) Reilley Cumb
5) Fry Cov
6) Iacabucci BH

113

1) Williams BH
2) Merritt Char
3) Passante Cumb
4) Watts Pil
5) Rodrick CE
6) McGovern LSA

120

1)Hussey EP
2)Clarke Cov
3)Porcaro Cumb
4) Wheeler NP
5) Castaldi PIL
6) Lenoard Barr


126

1) Caltagirone Cov
2) Guadiana LSA
3) Nappi BH
4) A.Rizzo NP
5) McDowell Woon
6) Bonanno West

132

1) Brown Cov
2) Zuller Pil
3) Bautista Cumb
4) Van Horn Char
5) Hamilton WW
6) Villanova Pono

138

1) Rivet BH
2) Andrews Pon
3) Duckworth SK
4) Young Cov
5) Myers Narr
6) Dumas Char

145

1)Disano BH
2) Bloom MB
3) Lynch Pon
4) Holdredge Wstr
5) Dougherty Char
6) Baccalla John




152

1) McGill Pon
2) Teves MB
3) Charleson LSA
5) Brown NK
4) Tougas Cumb
6) Anderson Char

160

1) Peckham Pono
2) Potter Pil
3) Sangare Cumb
4) Harrison LSA
5) Bauchannan Mt. P
6) Madden SK

170

1) Jarrell EG
2) Macomber Pon
3) Lancaster Mt. H
4) Arcand BH
5) Hayes Cumb
6) Parton Pil

182

1) Wrezesion Char
2) Balon Linc
3) Riggs Pon
4) Ladas SK
5) Calise LSA
6) Kavanaugh Pil

195

1) Thibadeau Mt. H
2) DelBonis LSA
3) Hunt NP
4) Gincastro NK
5) Sangare Cumb
6) Amirault TG

220

1) Fenwick Cov
2) Ruggeri NK
3) Salas Hope
4) Cayo Tol
5) Taft Mt H
6) Circa Pon

285

1) Brown NK
2) Cole BH
3) Wilcox Cumb
4) Brayall Linc
5) Kenney John
6) Martin NP



Changes:

McGovern having a strong season so far moves up to 6th @ 113.

Salas over Cayo puts him @ 3rd @ 220.

Wheeler and Porcaro split 1-1 this year with Porcaro placing higher at the Cumberland tourney (Porcaro pinned the kid that pinned Wheeler) puts Porcaro above Wheeler. Clarke with a win over Porcaro puts him at 2nd above Wheeler and Porcaro.

Calise over Kavanaugh puts him @ 5th @ 182.

Sangare over Harrison puts him @ 3rd @ 160.

Tougas and Anderson were incorrectly listed at 145 they are both 152. Because of this Dougherty moves to 5th at 145 and and Bacalla moves to 6th. Holdredge is 4th as he has been having a strong season including two solid wins over Dougherty.

Brown from NK beating Anderson makes rankings at 152 pretty messy. Anderson beat Tougas and Brown beat Anderson so Brown is 4th, Anderson 5th, and Tougas 6th. I think Tougas is a lot better wrestler than this ranking suggests wouldn’t be surprised to see him qualify for New Englands this year.

Van Horn over Villanova puts him @ 4th @ 132.

Wilcox winning a bracket with both Brayall and Kenney at the Cumberland tourney moves him up to 3rd @ 285.

[tap1]

There should be stronger rules so kids like Fenwick, Jarrell, Bloom and Teves cannot participate after sitting back, avoiding injuries and seeing where everyone else goes to pick the weight that that will give them the best opportunity for a win...At the very least,they should have to forfeit their seeding points from last year if they do not wrestle the majority of the season. These boys will come into States fresh and ready to wrestle while the rest of the wrestlers are banged up and bruised from actually wrestling the wrestling season. Getting 1st or 2nd seed for winning last year and not wrestling this year is a very unearned advantage in my opinion.

[mikepeters]

Jan 16, 2017 15:11:05 GMT -5 tap1 said:

There should be stronger rules so kids like Fenwick, Jarrell, Bloom and Teves cannot participate after sitting back, avoiding injuries and seeing where everyone else goes to pick the weight that that will give them the best opportunity for a win...At the very least,they should have to forfeit their seeding points from last year if they do not wrestle the majority of the season. These boys will come into States fresh and ready to wrestle while the rest of the wrestlers are banged up and bruised from actually wrestling the wrestling season. Getting 1st or 2nd seed for winning last year and not wrestling this year is a very unearned advantage in my opinion.

I've been saying this for years. Moses Brown played this same game with Andrew Howard so it has been going on for a number of years. My hope is it comes back and bites all who choose to game the system in this way.

I know I know "legit" injuries right? Says who? Do we take the coaches word for it? The parents?

They could never do this in a larger state. They make a mockery of RI wrestling.

[mwill88]

Jan 15, 2017 13:59:31 GMT -5 JimmyM said:

Rankings 1/15/17

106

1) Fallon LSA
2) Holland Pil
3) Lavallee John
4) Reilley Cumb
5) Fry Cov
6) Iacabucci BH

113

1) Williams BH
2) Merritt Char
3) Passante Cumb
4) Watts Pil
5) Rodrick CE
6) McGovern LSA

120

1)Hussey EP
2)Clarke Cov
3)Porcaro Cumb
4) Wheeler NP
5) Castaldi PIL
6) Lenoard Barr


126

1) Caltagirone Cov
2) Guadiana LSA
3) Nappi BH
4) A.Rizzo NP
5) McDowell Woon
6) Bonanno West

132

1) Brown Cov
2) Zuller Pil
3) Bautista Cumb
4) Van Horn Char
5) Hamilton WW
6) Villanova Pono

138

1) Rivet BH
2) Andrews Pon
3) Duckworth SK
4) Young Cov
5) Myers Narr
6) Dumas Char

145

1)Disano BH
2) Bloom MB
3) Lynch Pon
4) Holdredge Wstr
5) Dougherty Char
6) Baccalla John




152

1) McGill Pon
2) Teves MB
3) Charleson LSA
5) Brown NK
4) Tougas Cumb
6) Anderson Char

160

1) Peckham Pono
2) Potter Pil
3) Sangare Cumb
4) Harrison LSA
5) Bauchannan Mt. P
6) Madden SK

170

1) Jarrell EG
2) Macomber Pon
3) Lancaster Mt. H
4) Arcand BH
5) Hayes Cumb
6) Parton Pil

182

1) Wrezesion Char
2) Balon Linc
3) Riggs Pon
4) Ladas SK
5) Calise LSA
6) Kavanaugh Pil

195

1) Thibadeau Mt. H
2) DelBonis LSA
3) Hunt NP
4) Gincastro NK
5) Sangare Cumb
6) Amirault TG

220

1) Fenwick Cov
2) Ruggeri NK
3) Salas Hope
4) Cayo Tol
5) Taft Mt H
6) Circa Pon

285

1) Brown NK
2) Cole BH
3) Wilcox Cumb
4) Brayall Linc
5) Kenney John
6) Martin NP



Changes:

McGovern having a strong season so far moves up to 6th @ 113.

Salas over Cayo puts him @ 3rd @ 220.

Wheeler and Porcaro split 1-1 this year with Porcaro placing higher at the Cumberland tourney (Porcaro pinned the kid that pinned Wheeler) puts Porcaro above Wheeler. Clarke with a win over Porcaro puts him at 2nd above Wheeler and Porcaro.

Calise over Kavanaugh puts him @ 5th @ 182.

Sangare over Harrison puts him @ 3rd @ 160.

Tougas and Anderson were incorrectly listed at 145 they are both 152. Because of this Dougherty moves to 5th at 145 and and Bacalla moves to 6th. Holdredge is 4th as he has been having a strong season including two solid wins over Dougherty.

Brown from NK beating Anderson makes rankings at 152 pretty messy. Anderson beat Tougas and Brown beat Anderson so Brown is 4th, Anderson 5th, and Tougas 6th. I think Tougas is a lot better wrestler than this ranking suggests wouldn’t be surprised to see him qualify for New Englands this year.

Van Horn over Villanova puts him @ 4th @ 132.

Wilcox winning a bracket with both Brayall and Kenney at the Cumberland tourney moves him up to 3rd @ 285.

160 Metcalf Cov beat Madden SK should be ranked. He's a sleeper & will make some noise 2nd half of the season.

Tougas looked good taking a close 2nd @ Cumberland tournament. I agree & think he will do well placing top 3 @ states.

195 Hunt NP is out for the season due to injury.
Rizzo NP has been wrestling 132 not 126 & McDowell Woon beat him @ NP tournament.

I don't think Bloom, Tieves or Fenwick should be ranked until they actually certify & wrestle a match. Don't get me wrong, they are all 3 great & will place top 3 in their respective weights, but who knows when & where they will end up. Fenwick is rumored to be @ Cov & wrestling next week. If this is true then I don't see anyone @ 220 beating him.
Does anyone know why Martino 220 BH isn't wrestling?

Any word on Hussey?

[abebloom]

Jan 16, 2017 16:09:21 GMT -5 mikepeters said:

Jan 16, 2017 15:11:05 GMT -5 tap1 said:

There should be stronger rules so kids like Fenwick, Jarrell, Bloom and Teves cannot participate after sitting back, avoiding injuries and seeing where everyone else goes to pick the weight that that will give them the best opportunity for a win...At the very least,they should have to forfeit their seeding points from last year if they do not wrestle the majority of the season. These boys will come into States fresh and ready to wrestle while the rest of the wrestlers are banged up and bruised from actually wrestling the wrestling season. Getting 1st or 2nd seed for winning last year and not wrestling this year is a very unearned advantage in my opinion.

I've been saying this for years. Moses Brown played this same game with Andrew Howard so it has been going on for a number of years. My hope is it comes back and bites all who choose to game the system in this way.

I know I know "legit" injuries right? Says who? Do we take the coaches word for it? The parents?

They could never do this in a larger state. They make a mockery of RI wrestling.

Mike and anyone else this pertains too,
First off I find it extremely confusing and borderline concerning that you feel the need to constantly attack Moses Brown wrestling, and specifically me and Nick Teves. Whether it's just a surplus of time you have on your hands, or just nothing better to do, I would urge you as an adult to find more rewarding and reasonable things to do with your time.
Next, I would like to address your questioning of the validity of our injures. I'm not going to speak for Nick(although I will promise you he has a very valid injury), but I can assure you if you just come up to me at States your more than welcome to see the scar on my wrist from the surgery I had within the first week of the season. It's downright sad that you would question these injuries without any type of reasoning.
Furthermore, i think you can find greater meaning focusing your time on the system. Playing by the rules, something I have always done should not be frowned upon. If you don't like the rules, lobby to change them, not bash those who abide by them. Not to mention, I am very very willing to forfeit any and all seeding points I get towards my D2 one seed or the 5th seed overall. I could care less where I am seeded.
Lastly, pointing blame on us for making a mockery of RI wrestling is just ludicrous. Both me and Teves will be wrestling college, something that only elevates the status of RI wrestling given the lackluster number of wrestlers on our state who do. Not to mention, the work me and Nick have done in the state to voulenteer to youth wrestling is commendable. The only mockery being made is the one you bring upon yourself, for reasons stated above.
If you would like to talk to me futher be sure to reach out to me at States , but in the meantime please do some deep reflection.

Abraham Bloom

[shoot]

Well said Abe.

[wizery12]

I really don't understand why people care they have real injuries and fenwick has real problems and if they choose to sit out and not get any matches in and just go in to states with ring rust that's on them it's not that big of a deal if youre wrestling at state you wanna be a state Champ and to be a state Champ you have to be the best kid in the bracket whether you wrestling someone who wrestled every match or not you guys have been on this for two years already let it go

[mikepeters]

Jan 16, 2017 20:17:29 GMT -5 abebloom said:

Jan 16, 2017 16:09:21 GMT -5 mikepeters said:

I've been saying this for years. Moses Brown played this same game with Andrew Howard so it has been going on for a number of years. My hope is it comes back and bites all who choose to game the system in this way.

I know I know "legit" injuries right? Says who? Do we take the coaches word for it? The parents?

They could never do this in a larger state. They make a mockery of RI wrestling.

Mike and anyone else this pertains too,
First off I find it extremely confusing and borderline concerning that you feel the need to constantly attack Moses Brown wrestling, and specifically me and Nick Teves. Whether it's just a surplus of time you have on your hands, or just nothing better to do, I would urge you as an adult to find more rewarding and reasonable things to do with your time.
Next, I would like to address your questioning of the validity of our injures. I'm not going to speak for Nick(although I will promise you he has a very valid injury), but I can assure you if you just come up to me at States your more than welcome to see the scar on my wrist from the surgery I had within the first week of the season. It's downright sad that you would question these injuries without any type of reasoning.
Furthermore, i think you can find greater meaning focusing your time on the system. Playing by the rules, something I have always done should not be frowned upon. If you don't like the rules, lobby to change them, not bash those who abide by them. Not to mention, I am very very willing to forfeit any and all seeding points I get towards my D2 one seed or the 5th seed overall. I could care less where I am seeded.
Lastly, pointing blame on us for making a mockery of RI wrestling is just ludicrous. Both me and Teves will be wrestling college, something that only elevates the status of RI wrestling given the lackluster number of wrestlers on our state who do. Not to mention, the work me and Nick have done in the state to voulenteer to youth wrestling is commendable. The only mockery being made is the one you bring upon yourself, for reasons stated above.
If you would like to talk to me futher be sure to reach out to me at States , but in the meantime please do some deep reflection.

Abraham Bloom

There is nothing personal about my viewpoints. If I see what appears to be a pattern of behavior from any program, I will voice my opinion. It just so happens one program seems to have guys sit out the better part of the season EVERY SEASON, then magically appear before states. This didn't just start happening this season. I think it is an issue of fairness to all competitors. Avoiding the grind of the season, I truly believe, is an advantage to the most experienced competitors. Of course, in instances where a legitimate injury exists backed up by a Physician's note, exceptions should be made. But absent that documentation, competitors should be required to wrestle X number of matches to qualify for states or be penalized in some way ie. seeding. This sport is merit-based and the hardest workers should be rewarded.

[mikepeters]

I completely understand. As you spelled out, Moses Brown chooses to avoid the wear and tear to their wrestlers. Maybe we should just eliminate the season and just set a date for States. Why wrestle at all? There should be significant changes and realignment to prevent this.

[JimmyM]

Part of this problem I think is caused by the D1/D2 alignment. Due to the amount of forfeits seen in D2, elite wrestlers such as Bloom and Teves who are in D2 could go the whole season wrestling only a few dual meet matches, potentially not seeing any decent RI opponents until states. As someone who cut a good amount of weight while wrestling I can sympathize with wrestlers who do not want to have to make weight for 10 or however many dual meets a season only to see 8 forfeits. Furthermore it hurts RI wrestling if we are not getting our best wrestlers as many good matches as possible during the season in order to prepare for New Englands. We should be working towards a way to get elite D2 wrestlers such as Teves/Bloom more solid matches during the season rather than criticize them for sitting out. If that happens and wrestlers continue to sit out I think that would be a different story but until then I find it hard to criticize D2 wrestlers for doing what they need to do in order to best prepare themselves to do well at States and New Englands.

[mikepeters]

Jan 17, 2017 12:42:04 GMT -5 JimmyM said:

Part of this problem I think is caused by the D1/D2 alignment. Due to the amount of forfeits seen in D2, elite wrestlers such as Bloom and Teves who are in D2 could go the whole season wrestling only a few dual meet matches, potentially not seeing any decent RI opponents until states. As someone who cut a good amount of weight while wrestling I can sympathize with wrestlers who do not want to have to make weight for 10 or however many dual meets a season only to see 8 forfeits. Furthermore it hurts RI wrestling if we are not getting our best wrestlers as many good matches as possible during the season in order to prepare for New Englands. We should be working towards a way to get elite D2 wrestlers such as Teves/Bloom more solid matches during the season rather than criticize them for sitting out. If that happens and wrestlers continue to sit out I think that would be a different story but until then I find it hard to criticize D2 wrestlers for doing what they need to do in order to best prepare themselves to do well at States and New Englands.

I agree that part of the problem is the alignment. Rhode Island is small enough that there really is little need for a two division format. That being said, Julian Jerez beat Teves in the finals last year. He was "elite" by anyone's standards AND wrestled D2. That kid wrestled as many matches as possible. I think what we see at Moses Brown is an attitude that they are above RI and it started with Howard a few years back. It's this ELITIST point of view I see. The best way for it to stop is the guys who have been working hard all season(like Jerez last year)step up and teach them a lesson.

[helper]

Well written Bloom. This is off topic of the thread and maybe should go else where, but since its already being discussed I'll add my 2cents. Bottom line is those kids have earned the right to do what they want with their season. In truth all but Fenwick are in DII and 80% of those weigh-ins are a waste of their time, my bigger concern is if they DONT get special circumstanced in they ruin someone else's tournament who may just be shooting to place, instead their bracket is ruined. So MikePeters, I think what Abe has succinctly stated, there are rules and they are playing by them, and really in truth without a strong team it makes the most sense. I'd say the only time its a bad thing is when it ruins someone elses seed, in their cases, it is for the divisions coaches to decide, hopefully they do the right thing. Unlike last year where Fenwick was seeded really low and ruined other kids rides to the finals.

[mikepeters]

Jan 17, 2017 14:03:59 GMT -5 helper said:

Well written Bloom. This is off topic of the thread and maybe should go else where, but since its already being discussed I'll add my 2cents. Bottom line is those kids have earned the right to do what they want with their season. In truth all but Fenwick are in DII and 80% of those weigh-ins are a waste of their time, my bigger concern is if they DONT get special circumstanced in they ruin someone else's tournament who may just be shooting to place, instead their bracket is ruined. So MikePeters, I think what Abe has succinctly stated, there are rules and they are playing by them, and really in truth without a strong team it makes the most sense. I'd say the only time its a bad thing is when it ruins someone elses seed, in their cases, it is for the divisions coaches to decide, hopefully they do the right thing. Unlike last year where Fenwick was seeded really low and ruined other kids rides to the finals.

"Those kids have earned the right" seriously? How about Disano and Rivet? Have they earned the right to not risk injury and sit out until States? How about Caltigrone or Brown at Coventry? Should they just shut it down? Hussey already got hurt. He should have shut it down until February...

Bad precedent all around.

I think previous years should be disregarded and only current season should be considered for seeding at States. These kids have no motivation to wrestle given they know their seeds are locked up.

[hammerhead132]

Next you're probably gonna say that Lance Peters is the best 120 in the state... 🤔🤔

[keeneye]

Jan 17, 2017 15:31:08 GMT -5 mikepeters said:

Jan 17, 2017 14:03:59 GMT -5 helper said:

Well written Bloom. This is off topic of the thread and maybe should go else where, but since its already being discussed I'll add my 2cents. Bottom line is those kids have earned the right to do what they want with their season. In truth all but Fenwick are in DII and 80% of those weigh-ins are a waste of their time, my bigger concern is if they DONT get special circumstanced in they ruin someone else's tournament who may just be shooting to place, instead their bracket is ruined. So MikePeters, I think what Abe has succinctly stated, there are rules and they are playing by them, and really in truth without a strong team it makes the most sense. I'd say the only time its a bad thing is when it ruins someone elses seed, in their cases, it is for the divisions coaches to decide, hopefully they do the right thing. Unlike last year where Fenwick was seeded really low and ruined other kids rides to the finals.

"Those kids have earned the right" seriously? How about Disano and Rivet? Have they earned the right to not risk injury and sit out until States? How about Caltigrone or Brown at Coventry? Should they just shut it down? Hussey already got hurt. He should have shut it down until February...

Bad precedent all around.

I think previous years should be disregarded and only current season should be considered for seeding at States. These kids have no motivation to wrestle given they know their seeds are locked up.

[hammerhead132]

Lance Peters is actually the Italian Stallion. I wouldn't mess with him if I were you. 🐎

[switch1]

I am not going to address programs or individuals specifically but do wonder at the seeding consequences of placing wrestlers based on previous seasons. If a kid has wrestled very few matches and those matches have not been competitive, I am not sure they should be seeded ahead of someone that wrestles the entire season and travels to the maximum allowed tournaments to face the best competition. These wrestlers may be better than the person who sits out; there is no way to tell. Last year is old news. I agree with an earlier post though that simply taking away seeding from established good wrestlers could mess up the entire bracket. Also, just wondering if anyone knows what is the first criteria weighed in seeding? Is it place finishing from past years or power points from current years? How does D1 vs D2 factor in? I know D1 usually gets the 1 seed but is that only if a D2 wrestler doesn't have a place finish previously? Thanks

[rjx39]

Kory Edgar 160 from NK placed 5th last year he is a force to be reckoned with this year very possible he places again