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Post by thats2 on Jan 6, 2023 7:09:16 GMT -5
Just curious who decided to screw over the kids with a one day state tournament. Not only will kids that make it to the finals be exhausted at probably 8:00 at night . But more importantly if the 6 match remains then any kid that loses in the first or second round cannot wrestle back to third! What was the thought process here
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Post by shoot on Jan 6, 2023 7:31:53 GMT -5
This is fact? Or rumor?
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Post by sprite182 on Jan 6, 2023 10:44:45 GMT -5
I believe this year it will be Top 10 from D1(12 teams) and Top 8 from D2/D3 sectional(23 teams) to make up State Bracket. So basically a 16 man bracket for a 1 day State tournament. In years prior, brackets were over 20 so it called for 2 days to prevent the 6 match rule. I believe the RIIL had influence on this decision.
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Post by shoot on Jan 6, 2023 13:02:37 GMT -5
Doing this mid season is so RI it hurts🤣. How do you handle injuries with no D1 sectional? Kids that missed time with sickness, injuries etc...knowing matches they missed they would have won. Idk how this got passed for this season at the halfway point. Silly
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Post by magnanimous on Jan 6, 2023 13:03:45 GMT -5
A group of coaches voted for it in the Fall, all coaches were not in attendance, terrible idea that diminishes the tournament and excludes kids, it also hinders developing kids from a valuable stepping stone in their progression!!! Hurts wrestling!! It shocks me that coaches would vote for it, wasn't the RIIL from what I heard!
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Post by shoot on Jan 6, 2023 15:46:08 GMT -5
They should have had a D1 sectional then. I don't mind them shrinking the tournament but at least have a play in. Just a terrible plan IMO
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Post by shoot on Jan 6, 2023 16:36:36 GMT -5
Doesn't sound like this has been approved yet as far as D1 ....ive been told nothing changed with D1 .... No sectional and all 12 go? Idk... If anyone has a clarification that would be great.
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Post by JimmyM on Jan 6, 2023 16:56:27 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion but not having to suck weight for Day 2 is a nice change
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Post by grizzly7 on Jan 6, 2023 19:21:02 GMT -5
you don't suck weight on the second day its growth plus 2 or 3, 4 or 5 lb allowance if i recall correctly
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Post by rhodywrestler on Jan 8, 2023 13:59:44 GMT -5
So for clarification, all coaches were given the option to vote for this. Whether they were in attendance or not is in relation to some coaches commitment to their teams, if their were conflicts they had the ability to send an assistant to vote. More than half the coaches association voted for this, the RIIL agreed, coaches have known for a while so if this is a surprise to an athlete their coach did not do a good job communicating to their teams. Also we are an extremely small state and to have a 2 day vs a 1 day tournament there are factors to look at, Have we had full brackets in all weight classes in the past, are we watering down the competition with unqualified wrestlers, is two long days of wrestling and waiting better than one long day, is having kids make weight 2 days better than 1. Hopefully any misunderstanding that this is a "surprise" is put to bed now, wether you are still for it or still against it is a personal choice, both options have their benefits and their negatives. Can't please everyone, we will all survive!
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Post by rhodywrestler on Jan 8, 2023 14:04:58 GMT -5
They should have had a D1 sectional then. I don't mind them shrinking the tournament but at least have a play in. Just a terrible plan IMO Unfortunately most d2 teams and d3 teams do not field complete rosters, not the case for all schools but those who show up and commit to the sport will make it to the state tournament, part time wrestlers get part time results and at the end of the day most of the d1 teams do have full rosters so both the RIIL and coaches association do their best to make decisions to give the best opportunity to everyone to get to the state tournament, which is a privilege not a given. |
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Post by grizzly7 on Jan 8, 2023 14:13:05 GMT -5
That's boat load of sheet rhodywrestler! They made that decision so they the coaches don't have to come back the next day especially if they have one or two kids competing, the league has to pay less, one day vs. two to the PCTA, and you screw over the kids that you are referencing with limited opportunities or limited resources or both, Don't rationalize your selfishness!!!! Remember it's supposed to be about the kids not the product!!!!!!
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Post by rhodywrestler on Jan 8, 2023 15:23:09 GMT -5
That's boat load of sheet rhodywrestler! They made that decision so they the coaches don't have to come back the next day especially if they have one or two kids competing, the league has to pay less, one day vs. two to the PCTA, and you screw over the kids that you are referencing with limited opportunities or limited resources or both, Don't rationalize your selfishness!!!! Remember it's supposed to be about the kids not the product!!!!!! I don't know if you have sat in on one of the coaches meetings but I am 100% positive that isnt the reason, also we (RIIL) have Freshman, JV Sectional and a Varsity states so that proves to you it isnt about the product but rather the kids. Everyone has a chance to go to those, Rhode Island needs to be well represented at The New England Tournament and to advance there is an honor, so it needs to be an honor to advance to the varsity states. There aren't participation awards in wrestling and that is not being said to down anyone it is just to not take away from the hard work of coaches building teams, and wrestlers working year round to be better than their opponents, they both deserve the best competition possible! You should coach it sounds like you are passionate enough to do so! Hop on with a team and make a difference! |
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Post by rhodywrestler on Jan 19, 2023 16:22:47 GMT -5
2 day tournament formula has returned via an RIIL statement, 1 day of weigh-ins only(Friday), not sure if this increases the pool size in the brackets. Most likely all D1 wrestlers in and 8 top seeded d2/3 in. Not positive though.
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Post by thats2 on Jan 20, 2023 6:09:24 GMT -5
2 day tournament formula has returned via an RIIL statement, 1 day of weigh-ins only(Friday), not sure if this increases the pool size in the brackets. Most likely all D1 wrestlers in and 8 top seeded d2/3 in. Not positive though. where was this statement released? |
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Post by rhodywrestler on Jan 21, 2023 10:44:28 GMT -5
2 day tournament formula has returned via an RIIL statement, 1 day of weigh-ins only(Friday), not sure if this increases the pool size in the brackets. Most likely all D1 wrestlers in and 8 top seeded d2/3 in. Not positive though. where was this statement released? It was in an email to Athletic directors and coaches and Bobby Dimuccio from the RIIL/RIWCA shared the info as well! |
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Post by dbllegtkedwn on Jan 21, 2023 12:38:06 GMT -5
That's boat load of sheet rhodywrestler! They made that decision so they the coaches don't have to come back the next day especially if they have one or two kids competing, the league has to pay less, one day vs. two to the PCTA, and you screw over the kids that you are referencing with limited opportunities or limited resources or both, Don't rationalize your selfishness!!!! Remember it's supposed to be about the kids not the product!!!!!! I don't know if you have sat in on one of the coaches meetings but I am 100% positive that isnt the reason, also we (RIIL) have Freshman, JV Sectional and a Varsity states so that proves to you it isnt about the product but rather the kids. Everyone has a chance to go to those, Rhode Island needs to be well represented at The New England Tournament and to advance there is an honor, so it needs to be an honor to advance to the varsity states. There aren't participation awards in wrestling and that is not being said to down anyone it is just to not take away from the hard work of coaches building teams, and wrestlers working year round to be better than their opponents, they both deserve the best competition possible! You should coach it sounds like you are passionate enough to do so! Hop on with a team and make a difference! I echo this whole heartedly. There is no D1 qualifier. Wrestlers with 30 or less PowerPoints (which most likely means they won 1 match or took a forfeit) are in the Varsity State Championships. They should have gone to the JV States. But they go to Varsity for either the experience or to get a team a few extra team points. If you want the tournament to be a good product, a wrestler with 0 PowerPoints should not be in the state tournament unless there were special circumstances, which the coach and present and it is voted upon. As for the 1 day tournament idea, more weekend tournaments are becoming the size of the state championship. Look on Flo and checkout the bracket size of the South County this year. There were about the same number of wrestlers and that tournament was run in 1 day on 4 mats. Dave did a great job with his tournament to get a lot of wrestling done early in the season. I didn't see anyone on the boards here complaining about it. There should be some qualifications to the state tournament. D2 and D3 has it, D1 should not just give you the honor of showing up with your full roster. That change might even give a D2 or D3 team a shot at a State Championship some day. As it sits now a D2/3 team will almost never be able to compete against full rosters in the state tournament, especially when you don't count the team score for the 32-man round. I also think it's a bad idea to not have the second day weigh-in. Mass and Connecticut both have a 2nd day weigh-in for their states. I talked to some coaches from out of state and they think it's B.S. |
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