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Post by powerhalf285 on Jan 29, 2024 14:08:22 GMT -5
Thats why D1 always fought the idea of the sectional. They typically can figure out who the D2/d3 champ will be and work the system, duck opponents, manipulate powerpoints and slide into the D1-6 or 3 to make it out to semis...Dont think they are doing that at 150 this yr, they are figuring out how to be the D1-1, D104, or D1-5 up top in bracket..
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Post by smarsh on Jan 29, 2024 15:16:50 GMT -5
Thats why D1 always fought the idea of the sectional. They typically can figure out who the D2/d3 champ will be and work the system, duck opponents, manipulate powerpoints and slide into the D1-6 or 3 to make it out to semis...Dont think they are doing that at 150 this yr, they are figuring out how to be the D1-1, D104, or D1-5 up top in bracket.. True second solves all these problems, change my mind.
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Post by doublehalf55 on Jan 29, 2024 18:15:23 GMT -5
Thats why D1 always fought the idea of the sectional. They typically can figure out who the D2/d3 champ will be and work the system, duck opponents, manipulate powerpoints and slide into the D1-6 or 3 to make it out to semis...Dont think they are doing that at 150 this yr, they are figuring out how to be the D1-1, D104, or D1-5 up top in bracket.. True second solves all these problems, change my mind. I believe it helps the problem but not completly solves it, but I can imagine a lot of people who play around with PP’s will be against it.
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Post by shoot on Jan 29, 2024 18:34:22 GMT -5
There was once a D1 ( class A sectional) before power points
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Post by shoot on Jan 29, 2024 18:37:07 GMT -5
Id like to see an rpi system for both division... eliminate div 3 ...2 divisions...have actual rankings and give power points to everyone....wins against state ranked , NE ranked , national ranked all score points...wins against unranked score less points....coaches line up their own schedules and go wrestle, inclusive of tournaments on weekends too.
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Post by weightcutter on Jan 30, 2024 7:50:31 GMT -5
division two guys who should have been finalists have notoriously gotten screwed because of the the fact that kids less talented get placed better in the bracket based upon going to a school in “division one”. i can remember in fairly recent times when Felix the tolman 106 wrestled joziah fry in the semi finals, that should have been a finals match but do to a “special circumstance” in division one and some other ducking, that’s what happened. get rid of the special circumstances, get rid of the ducking, create a points system like another user said and make kids wrestle the other kids. no points for wins outside of your certified weight class. too bad womp womp if your coach wanted to bump the entire lineup that night. coaches teaching kids to avoid better competition in hopes to get an extra win at the state tournament teaches a very poor life lesson. face adversity and if you lose you learn. if everybody wrestled everybody throughout the year (or the most people they could) the seeding would line up based on performance and ability and d2 guys would stop getting screwed over some d1 pleb they would tech just because they have a cumberland singlet on.
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Post by bumper69 on Jan 30, 2024 8:33:07 GMT -5
division two guys who should have been finalists have notoriously gotten screwed because of the the fact that kids less talented get placed better in the bracket based upon going to a school in “division one”. i can remember in fairly recent times when Felix the tolman 106 wrestled joziah fry in the semi finals, that should have been a finals match but do to a “special circumstance” in division one and some other ducking, that’s what happened. get rid of the special circumstances, get rid of the ducking, create a points system like another user said and make kids wrestle the other kids. no points for wins outside of your certified weight class. too bad womp womp if your coach wanted to bump the entire lineup that night. coaches teaching kids to avoid better competition in hopes to get an extra win at the state tournament teaches a very poor life lesson. face adversity and if you lose you learn. if everybody wrestled everybody throughout the year (or the most people they could) the seeding would line up based on performance and ability and d2 guys would stop getting screwed over some d1 pleb they would tech just because they have a cumberland singlet on. There was just special circumstances in that situation. I agree 100% that could’ve been a finals match but if seeded correctly Felix would’ve had to face Gomes from mt.hope in what was always a close battle. There was no dodging in these circumstances as fry was the returning 2x state finalist, reigning state champ and New England finalist. He just didn’t wrestle multiple meets while Gomes wrestled all of his. Seeded wrong yes but seeded for the situation, correct
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Post by doublehalf55 on Jan 30, 2024 8:48:09 GMT -5
division two guys who should have been finalists have notoriously gotten screwed because of the the fact that kids less talented get placed better in the bracket based upon going to a school in “division one”. i can remember in fairly recent times when Felix the tolman 106 wrestled joziah fry in the semi finals, that should have been a finals match but do to a “special circumstance” in division one and some other ducking, that’s what happened. get rid of the special circumstances, get rid of the ducking, create a points system like another user said and make kids wrestle the other kids. no points for wins outside of your certified weight class. too bad womp womp if your coach wanted to bump the entire lineup that night. coaches teaching kids to avoid better competition in hopes to get an extra win at the state tournament teaches a very poor life lesson. face adversity and if you lose you learn. if everybody wrestled everybody throughout the year (or the most people they could) the seeding would line up based on performance and ability and d2 guys would stop getting screwed over some d1 pleb they would tech just because they have a cumberland singlet on. Just saying, haven’t seen Cam Davis wrestle since the dehydration incident, can we get an update on him and where he falls for weight for funkmasters rankings because I have a sneaking suspicion that he’s going up a weightclass or 2 unless he quit the team due to the “coach of the year”
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Post by powerhalf285 on Jan 30, 2024 10:35:42 GMT -5
division two guys who should have been finalists have notoriously gotten screwed because of the the fact that kids less talented get placed better in the bracket based upon going to a school in “division one”. i can remember in fairly recent times when Felix the tolman 106 wrestled joziah fry in the semi finals, that should have been a finals match but do to a “special circumstance” in division one and some other ducking, that’s what happened. get rid of the special circumstances, get rid of the ducking, create a points system like another user said and make kids wrestle the other kids. no points for wins outside of your certified weight class. too bad womp womp if your coach wanted to bump the entire lineup that night. coaches teaching kids to avoid better competition in hopes to get an extra win at the state tournament teaches a very poor life lesson. face adversity and if you lose you learn. if everybody wrestled everybody throughout the year (or the most people they could) the seeding would line up based on performance and ability and d2 guys would stop getting screwed over some d1 pleb they would tech just because they have a cumberland singlet on. Great example with the Felix situation. I dont think most "coaches" are teaching kids to avoid better competition. Coaches still have a job to win dual meets, if not why have them, why have division champs. For some, being division champs helps get more kids out for the team the following yr... Bumping some guys around helps coaches/teams to win,at least in D2 and D3...D1 they all playing for 2nd. Doing this is a little different than the blatent ducking we have seen for many years...What i like you said was create a points system, I beleive Mass uses it with quality wins, and other criteria. There is enough wrestling with tournments, league/non league matches to seed the sectionals. The powerpoint system is outdated and invalid at this point. hurts more than helps. Get 2 Sectionals, have a seeding committee with coaches, riil, refs , using a criteria sheet, and collectively place kids where they belong in a bracket to qualify for a state tourn.
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Post by bumper69 on Jan 30, 2024 11:45:12 GMT -5
Curious to see what happens at certain weights because I assume vital can or will dodge McCarthy leading him to be the 1 seed and having the bottom half of the bracket be a blood bath. Also curious about 220 because it should be diorio and Wilcox in the semis but aliched not wrestling diorio might give him the 2
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Post by funkmaster on Jan 30, 2024 15:14:15 GMT -5
Updated
Constructive criticism is always appreciated!!
Some points to address: -The 132 and 285 lbs weight classes have a rock paper scissors situation going on, most of the names are interchangeable, but most recent wins over a ranked opponent is whats going to be considered for the time being.
PSA: THESE ARE NOT PREDICTIONS. The only thing that is my personal opinion is P4P Team Race Tournament: 1.)Ponaganset 2.)Central 3.)Scituate 4.)Bishop Hendricen 5.)Coventry
P4P: 1.)Gabriel Bouyssou Sr. (Scituate) 2.)Peyton Ellis Sr. (Coventry) 3.)David Perez So. (Ponaganset) 4.)Spencer Fine Sr. (Bishop Hendricken) 5.)Joseph Joyce So. (Ponaganset) HM: Andrew Reall Sr. (Ponaganset)
106 1.)Cole Lemovitz Fr. (Pono) 2.)Robby Newton So. (Scit) 3.)Jack Sabatelli So. (TG) 4.)Connor Coro Jr. (NP) 5.)Damien Setaro So. (Linc) 6.)Michael Quinn Fr. (BH)
113 1.)Apollo Bellini Fr. (Pono) 2.)Caden Hughes So. (Scit) 3.)Jordan Lally So. (EG) 4.)Charles Ford Fr. (NP) 5.)Isaiah Garcia So. (Cent) 6.)Jacob Oliveira Jr. (Pil)
120 1.)Jared Hood Jr. (Pono) 2.)Stone Farnsworth Sr. (Cov) 3.)Aydin Schifino Fr. (EP) 4.)Marcos Ramirez Jr. (TG) 5.)Samuel Rodrigues Sr. (Linc) 6.)Reed Acosta So. (Smith)
126 1.)Peyton Ellis Sr. (Cov) 2.)Cameron Davis Sr. (Cent) 3.)Robert Douangmala Fr. (Pono) 4.)Ben White Jr. (SK) 5.)Seth McGrew Jr. (BH) 6.)Logan Martins Jr. (John)
132 1.)David Perez So. (Pono) 2.)Brian Montanez Jr. (Hope) 3.)Braydon Wilding Jr. 4.)Ethan Martel Jr. (MH) 5.)Noah Dinucci Sr. (Char) 6.)Nathan Giusti So. (NP)
138 1.)Joseph Joyce So. (Pono) 2.)Sebastian Armstrong Sr. (Cov) 3.)Kamel Dib Jr. (Linc) 4.)Kason Wirtz Jr. (TG) 5.)Thomas Lynch Jr. (LSA) 6.)Aidan Baker So. (Scit)
144 1.)Andrew McCarthy Jr. (MH) 2.)Colby Vital So. (Pono) 3.)Tyler Schartner Sr. (NK) 4.)Aziz Mian Jr. (Cent) 5.)Logan Neishel Jr. (NP) 6.)Charles Phillips Jr. (EP)
150 1.)Gabriel Bouyssou Sr. (Scit) 2.)James Thibaudeau Sr. (MH) 3.)Carnell Davis Fr. (Pono) 4.)Gonzalo Pool Jr. (NP) 5.)Matthew Pappas So. (BH) 6.)Travis Morel Sr. (Cent)
157 1.)Ryan Currier Sr. (Char) 2.)William Leischner Jr. (Pono) 3.)Justin Murphy Sr. (Pil) 4.)Ray McConnell Sr. (Narr) 5.)James Rocco So. (Barr) 6.)John Nicoll Jr. (Linc)
165 1.)Andrew Reall Sr. (Pono) 2.)Ferhat Akdemir So. (EP) 3.)Logan Ross So. (BH) 4.)Jefreel Rivera Sr. (Cent) 5.)Noah D’amore Jr. (Linc) 6.)Zion Taylor So. (CF/BVP)
175 1.)Preston Marchesseault Jr. (Pono) 2.)Braeden Campbell Jr. (BH) 3.)Trevor O’ Connor Sr. (Pil) 4.)Seamus Rooney Sr. (NK) 5.)Erick Mazariego So. (Class) 6.)Miguel Reyes So. (MP)
190 1.)Spencer Fine Sr. (BH) 2.)Jack Gianetto Jr. (Narr) 3.)Aaron Bolduc Sr. (Linc) 4.)Nasir Brotka Sr. (Cent) 5.)Owen Norlavong Jr. (MP) 6.)Josiah Garcia Jr. (LSA)
215 1.)Andrew Alchihed Sr. (CW) 2.)Ben Wilcox Jr. (Woon) 3.)Shane Raposo Sr. (Cumb) 4.)Michael Diorio Jr. (Pono) 5.)Matthew Zimmerman Jr. (Barr) 6.)Abner Noriega Jr. (Cent)
285 1.)Alex Herrera Sr. (Woon) 2.)Kaz Morosetti So. (NK) 3.)Jhadiel Acosta So. (Cent) 4.)Machar Francis Jr. (EP) 5.)William Francis So. (NP) 6.)Tyler Bergeron Jr. (Pono)
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Post by charles on Jan 30, 2024 15:51:59 GMT -5
I have not posted in a long time but nothing made me more upset than what they did to Felix that year, they did not do it to hurt Felix he was an innocent bystander. Seeding Gomes #1 and giving Fry the #2 was meant to punish #3 Lowman for transferring, so they would be on the same side of the bracket. The truth is the D1 coaches punish other coaches by manipulating the seeding process and it has been going on for years. The last couple of years NK was the target over and over again. Make no mistake about its just like RI politics, it will be business as usual, the most hated man in RI wrestling right now is Joyce, I will bet money they put Aliched up for the #1 to put Wilcox and Dorio against each other on the bottom side, everyone knows, that should be the finals match but they will screw over the kids and RI wrestling to punish a specific person cuz they can. In the case of Leischner, I think Ponaganset wrestled Rocco to get the #2 and have a valid argument to get it, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't get it and wrestles Currier in the semi's which again is a travesty! And Bumper69 if you believe that seeding Fry Above Gomes was correct, you need to lay of the edibles!!!
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Post by hurricane123 on Jan 30, 2024 16:25:38 GMT -5
Ryan McCarthy pinned Reyes while leading by a point with 10 secs left.
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Post by papa on Jan 30, 2024 17:23:50 GMT -5
How do you come up with your P4P rankings? Is it just performance in New England?
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Post by bumper69 on Jan 30, 2024 19:57:07 GMT -5
I have not posted in a long time but nothing made me more upset than what they did to Felix that year, they did not do it to hurt Felix he was an innocent bystander. Seeding Gomes #1 and giving Fry the #2 was meant to punish #3 Lowman for transferring, so they would be on the same side of the bracket. The truth is the D1 coaches punish other coaches by manipulating the seeding process and it has been going on for years. The last couple of years NK was the target over and over again. Make no mistake about its just like RI politics, it will be business as usual, the most hated man in RI wrestling right now is Joyce, I will bet money they put Aliched up for the #1 to put Wilcox and Dorio against each other on the bottom side, everyone knows, that should be the finals match but they will screw over the kids and RI wrestling to punish a specific person cuz they can. In the case of Leischner, I think Ponaganset wrestled Rocco to get the #2 and have a valid argument to get it, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't get it and wrestles Currier in the semi's which again is a travesty! And Bumper69 if you believe that seeding Fry Above Gomes was correct, you need to lay of the edibles!!! I didn’t say it was correct, obviously fry should’ve been over Gomes but it was based off the power points at the time. Fry hardly wrestled a lot during the duals that year and also didn’t wrestle Gomes. So power points wise the seeding was correct but realistically it should’ve been Gomes vs Felix in the semis. If anything too. It didn’t matter about lowman because he ended up taking 5th and losing to husing. Also 215 is an awful weight anyway but reason results do have aliched over diorio not only in their last meeting but dual wise too and state placement. I do believe Wilcox will win but whoever gets the 1 has an easy path to the finals
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Post by bumper69 on Jan 30, 2024 19:59:42 GMT -5
How do you come up with your P4P rankings? Is it just performance in New England? Also I was curious about that too because I would personally go 1. Gabe 2. Spencer 3. Ellis 4. Perez 5. Joyce/reall Preston is good but he’s not going to win new Englands like the rest of these guys nor has he really beaten anyone solid or have a state title. Even his Sam cali bracket was very weak
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Post by johnlynx on Jan 30, 2024 20:40:06 GMT -5
Ben White has been wrestling 132 alot lately. If he goes 132, 132 could be pretty deep with anyone of those guys placing from 2nd to 6th.
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Post by magnanimous on Jan 30, 2024 20:45:38 GMT -5
Marchesseault was a Fargo and NHSCA AA as a sophomore the only other wrestlers I can think of that have accomplished that in the last 40 years are Feeley and Gabe!
So what exactly are you saying?
Yes #8 in the country Blanchette, is really good, so we will see if he wins New England's, but Joyce has Tidlsey which is a big ask, and Reall has Nicolosi, which is also a tall task, the only lock is Gabe, Perez and Paulino will be a good one as well, Ellis should roll he is head and shoulders above the rest in the weight class!! New England's really comes down to is it a loaded weight class!!
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Post by bumper69 on Jan 30, 2024 21:28:21 GMT -5
Marchesseault was a Fargo and NHSCA AA as a sophomore the only other wrestlers I can think of that have accomplished that in the last 40 years are Feeley and Gabe! So what exactly are you saying? Yes #8 in the country Blanchette, is really good, so we will see if he wins New England's, but Joyce has Tidlsey which is a big ask, and Reall has Nicolosi, which is also a tall task, the only lock is Gabe, Perez and Paulino will be a good one as well, Ellis should roll he is head and shoulders above the rest in the weight class!! New England's really comes down to is it a loaded weight class!! Again I agree it depends on the weight class but marchessault hasn’t had a loaded weight at any of those tournaments. The only locks for New Englands are gabe, Ellis and Spencer if he stays 190. Blanchette and Preston could be good but it also depends on if the bracket is also seeded correctly cause that very well could be a quarter finals or semi match as we’ve seen at previous tournaments like Fallon and leete or fry and Adrian. I think blanchette majors if not high decisions Preston and this is no hate on the kid, I think he’s a solid wrestler but still. We very well could have the most New England champs out of any state, if not then definitely the most finalists
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Post by funkmaster on Jan 30, 2024 21:45:44 GMT -5
How do you come up with your P4P rankings? Is it just performance in New England? Not just New Englands but nationally as well. I’ve always seen P4P as a hypothetical that if these kids were any weight, they could still dominate. There’s no real way to order them so I let it be my own opinion.
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