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Post by allheart on Jan 9, 2014 10:44:02 GMT -5
Can a wrestler weigh in exactly on weight at one weight class this week, and drop to the next lowest weight class the following week, as long as it is before the cut off date, and stay with in the riil rules?
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Post by mikepeters on Jan 9, 2014 12:15:08 GMT -5
Short answer YES.
It looks like some changes are coming to Hendricken's lineup...hmmmm
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Post by allheart on Jan 9, 2014 12:52:22 GMT -5
For the short time I have been around this sport I have seen that there are changes in most of the high school lineups right before the cut of date. I imagine Hendricken will have their share also, but that wasn't my question. Perhaps that would be a good topic for another thread. Thanks for your in short answer.
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Post by mikepeters on Jan 9, 2014 13:23:23 GMT -5
For instance sometimes a kid will go from 106 to 120 only to find out this class is inhabited by many more upperclassmen than he thought, then cut to 113 just before Jan 15. It happens all the time.
I've seen some skeletal kids who somehow manage to drop a class. It's crazy.
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Post by allheart on Jan 9, 2014 13:30:43 GMT -5
Oh I see what you are saying. I was thinking more along the lines of 2 wrestlers swapping places and finishing better in the state competition. The only thing is the lower weight wrestler going up would not fair as well at a regional competition. Never gave your view a thought. Thanks again!
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Post by rulesguy on Jan 9, 2014 13:34:03 GMT -5
For the short time I have been around this sport I have seen that there are changes in most of the high school lineups right before the cut of date. I imagine Hendricken will have their share also, but that wasn't my question. Perhaps that would be a good topic for another thread. Thanks for your in short answer. The answer is, as long as there weight chart says they are eligible on that date for that weight. A wrestler is given their weight chart at the beginning of the season. It is formulated by a computer after inputs are made from the medical professional who performed the wrestler's analysis prior to the start of them competing. All wrestler's must go through this analysis and receive a weight chart before they compete. An example weight chart might look like this (Crude estimation): | Date | Weight Allowed | Weight Class | | Dec. 31 | 136 | 138 | | Jan. 7 | 134 | 138 | | Jan. 14 | 132 | 132 |
The wrestler above is not eligible to compete at 132 until Jan. 14. But may make weight that day at 132 and now is eligible for 132 for the rest of the season. To your first question Up until January 14, he does not have to weigh any less than 138 (or what the weight class is that night given allowances) to compete at 138. The weight chart simply states what the minimum weight allowable is on any one specific day. So if a wrestler had a match on January 13, they could weigh 138 and compete at 138. If they had a match the following night on January 14, they could conceivably cut to 132 and wrestler 132 that night (not the healthiest thing, but it is possible and legal). Hope I answered your question. |
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Post by riwrestlingfan on Jan 9, 2014 13:35:53 GMT -5
Short answer YES. It looks like some changes are coming to Hendricken's lineup...hmmmm Come on man, you can't drop a hint without revealing what your thought it. I am assuming that Davol might cut down to 113. Though I think Celico has a shot at winning 113. I was really surprised that Hayes dropped down to 170. That weight class is pretty strong with him, Dupre, Noury, Mulligan, Conley, Sauro, Baptista. I won't be surprised to see Neff drop down to 195. Do you have any other predictions of wrestlers dropping a weight class. |
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Post by allheart on Jan 9, 2014 13:37:32 GMT -5
Perfect answer. Thank you very much, it is rather confusing if you have not had an opportunity to review the rules, or weight charts. I never knew they gave them out. They must have all the info on them such a s weight, body fat, hydration, etc.
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Post by mikepeters on Jan 9, 2014 13:54:37 GMT -5
Short answer YES. It looks like some changes are coming to Hendricken's lineup...hmmmm Come on man, you can't drop a hint without revealing what your thought it. I am assuming that Davol might cut down to 113. Though I think Celico has a shot at winning 113. I was really surprised that Hayes dropped down to 170. That weight class is pretty strong with him, Dupre, Noury, Mulligan, Conley, Sauro, Baptista. I won't be surprised to see Neff drop down to 195. Do you have any other predictions of wrestlers dropping a weight class. Well the wrestling grapevine says Davol went up to 120 to prove a point BUT has possibly reconsidered his decision. Celico is the clear favorite at 113, in fact, other than the Labrie's he's the surest bet in the state. If they swap positions the same can be said of Davol. |
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Post by riwrestlingfan on Jan 9, 2014 14:09:06 GMT -5
Come on man, you can't drop a hint without revealing what your thought it. I am assuming that Davol might cut down to 113. Though I think Celico has a shot at winning 113. I was really surprised that Hayes dropped down to 170. That weight class is pretty strong with him, Dupre, Noury, Mulligan, Conley, Sauro, Baptista. I won't be surprised to see Neff drop down to 195. Do you have any other predictions of wrestlers dropping a weight class. Well the wrestling grapevine says Davol went up to 120 to prove a point BUT has possibly reconsidered his decision. Celico is the clear favorite at 113, in fact, other than the Labrie's he's the surest bet in the state. If they swap positions the same can be said of Davol. You don't think Cardosa, D'Allesio, and Neff are a safe bets? |
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Post by madmax on Jan 9, 2014 14:09:53 GMT -5
Y would Davol mess around at 120 if he can get to 113 is my question.
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Post by mikepeters on Jan 9, 2014 14:14:53 GMT -5
Y would Davol mess around at 120 if he can get to 113 is my question. From what I hear he was sick of people saying he was running from Altieri and Beaudette |
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Post by mikepeters on Jan 9, 2014 14:32:18 GMT -5
Well the wrestling grapevine says Davol went up to 120 to prove a point BUT has possibly reconsidered his decision. Celico is the clear favorite at 113, in fact, other than the Labrie's he's the surest bet in the state. If they swap positions the same can be said of Davol. You don't think Cardosa, D'Allesio, and Neff are a safe bets? Yes those guys are safe bets as well but are just in deeper weight classes. |
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Post by riwrestlingfan on Jan 9, 2014 16:00:28 GMT -5
Davol is a state champion, he doesn't have to prove anything. He is a stud.
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Post by allheart on Jan 9, 2014 16:14:21 GMT -5
Jason Davol is a state champion, and most likely good student or he would not be allowed to wrestle, and a gentleman. This thread was about the riil rules and mechanics of cutting weight. In wrestling as in life you pick your battles and hopefully win the ones you pick. No disrespect to anyone but ........Lets hear any input on the riil weight cutting rules if you have some.
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Post by mikepeters on Jan 9, 2014 16:15:59 GMT -5
There's always something to prove,that's what competition is all about. We should applaud those who strive for greatness and not the easiest path.
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Post by allheart on Jan 9, 2014 16:22:20 GMT -5
I believe to make this a healthier sport a wrestler should not be allowed to loose more than 1.5% of their body weight in any given week during the season. You start the season at the weight you start it and if you cannot maintain a weight cutting process that is not more than 1.5% of your body weight you should not be allowed to compete there. I think It would be a positive step to get rid of the weight cutting stigma this sport has around it?
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Post by rulesguy on Jan 9, 2014 17:53:01 GMT -5
I believe to make this a healthier sport a wrestler should not be allowed to loose more than 1.5% of their body weight in any given week during the season. You start the season at the weight you start it and if you cannot maintain a weight cutting process that is not more than 1.5% of your body weight you should not be allowed to compete there. I think It would be a positive step to get rid of the weight cutting stigma this sport has around it? The only problem with that is the fluctuation of weight in people who are working out as hard as wrestler are is staggering. In any given practice a wrestler can loose anywhere from 2 to 8 lbs of water weight alone. It would always depend on when wrestlers weighed in. THere is also a lot of strategy in wrestling in dual meets around weight. Say I normally wrestler 120. But tonight, I need to weigh in at 126 so my coach can send me out there at 132 to win the dual. Forcing a kid to stay at 120/121 just so they can stay around that weight class for future matches takes away a lot of that. While I understand the point of view of cutting weight is frowned upon in a normal everyday situation, it is an acceptable practice. One, that if supervised by the knowledgeable people that our coaches are, can be done safely at weights that seem crazy to normal weight loss numbers. If a kid starts a season the first day in the room at 152 lbs., in a week by simply changing his diet and having the constant exercise they will be down to about 145 lbs. In another week, with good hard work they would easily be at 140. The last 2 lbs to 138 is simple water weight. A fluctuation that is done in one practice. Although the quick loss numbers are unnatural to everyday life, they are a complete common and natural part of any "combat sport" such as boxing, wrestling, and mma. The weight loss program that we currently use is designed to help stop the over excessive weight loss and it does a good job of that. But once the weight is lost, the 5-8 lbs. fluctuations form one weight class to another is the difference between a salad and a glass of water and chugging a 2 sodas with half a pizza. Simple discipline or indulgence wish push a wrestler one way or another. Keep it the way it is. Wrestler's keep working hard. Coaches keep them safe. Fans keep cheering them on. Its the best sport offered to any high school athlete. IMHO |
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Post by madmax on Jan 9, 2014 18:00:45 GMT -5
I always wondered why not just have a scale on every mat. As you walk out on the mat you step on the scale and the ref checks your weight.
If nothing else it would cut some of the last minute extreme weight loss out. As kids would not have time to rehydrate.
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Post by mikepeters on Jan 9, 2014 18:36:46 GMT -5
I believe to make this a healthier sport a wrestler should not be allowed to loose more than 1.5% of their body weight in any given week during the season. You start the season at the weight you start it and if you cannot maintain a weight cutting process that is not more than 1.5% of your body weight you should not be allowed to compete there. I think It would be a positive step to get rid of the weight cutting stigma this sport has around it? The only problem with that is the fluctuation of weight in people who are working out as hard as wrestler are is staggering. In any given practice a wrestler can loose anywhere from 2 to 8 lbs of water weight alone. It would always depend on when wrestlers weighed in. THere is also a lot of strategy in wrestling in dual meets around weight. Say I normally wrestler 120. But tonight, I need to weigh in at 126 so my coach can send me out there at 132 to win the dual. Forcing a kid to stay at 120/121 just so they can stay around that weight class for future matches takes away a lot of that. While I understand the point of view of cutting weight is frowned upon in a normal everyday situation, it is an acceptable practice. One, that if supervised by the knowledgeable people that our coaches are, can be done safely at weights that seem crazy to normal weight loss numbers. If a kid starts a season the first day in the room at 152 lbs., in a week by simply changing his diet and having the constant exercise they will be down to about 145 lbs. In another week, with good hard work they would easily be at 140. The last 2 lbs to 138 is simple water weight. A fluctuation that is done in one practice. Although the quick loss numbers are unnatural to everyday life, they are a complete common and natural part of any "combat sport" such as boxing, wrestling, and mma. The weight loss program that we currently use is designed to help stop the over excessive weight loss and it does a good job of that. But once the weight is lost, the 5-8 lbs. fluctuations form one weight class to another is the difference between a salad and a glass of water and chugging a 2 sodas with half a pizza. Simple discipline or indulgence wish push a wrestler one way or another. Keep it the way it is. Wrestler's keep working hard. Coaches keep them safe. Fans keep cheering them on. Its the best sport offered to any high school athlete. IMHO I think for the most part you're correct but I also think you can't believe all of these coaches can know what every kid is doing. Also, do all of these kids pass the EYE test? Some of these kids LOOK unhealthy. |
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