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Post by sugartits on Feb 11, 2011 16:25:56 GMT -5
This is hurting high school wrestling in Rhode Island. There have been many seniors over the years that wrestled for 4 years who knew they were not going to place at states so they looked at the sectionals as that. Sectionals is where some of them first stand on a podium. Now your going to have that senior wrestle 4 years and not have a tournarment at the end of his wrestling career.Outrage.
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Post by danb171 on Feb 11, 2011 17:03:28 GMT -5
I've gotta agree with you on that, my teammate Dan Quintanilla got his only taste of high school gold at Sectionals his Junior year. That's probably one of his best memories of high school right there and for it to be defunct now with no other wrestlers being able to get that same opportunity is really a shame. Also Sectionals was the first time I ever personally proved myself on a state level. My sophomore year wrestling at 160 i was given the Sectionals 12 seed out of 17 and took 6th. It is really a great tournament which I would love to see put back into place someday, though i was never really a fan of true second.
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Post by helper on Feb 11, 2011 22:46:09 GMT -5
34 teams... 3 11/12 team divisions. Wrestle just your division and pick up 3/4 non league matches. Who wants more then 13-14 matches anyways.... More weigh ins. Then 3 sectionals and an all-star.
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Post by danb171 on Feb 11, 2011 23:13:17 GMT -5
i like your thinking there, so kind of like the Mass system?
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Post by sugartits on Feb 14, 2011 15:48:26 GMT -5
How would we bring the old system or that new system you mentioned to action???
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Post by helper on Feb 14, 2011 16:57:04 GMT -5
We would have to change the mind of the RIIL and some D1 coaches. Basicly if we came at it with a unified front (which never happens because we get vetoed before it gets to that point) and had a real drafted plan then maybe they will listen to us oncer. Magarian leaves and their is a changing of the guard with leadership of RI wrestling. I would love 3 regionalized sectionals. Top 5 from each section goes and 1 alternate for each weight class. Criteria would have to be set or a voting committee set up. Maybe even use the refs to keep it less partial. This would be a fail safe invade a kid is injured that should be there and injury defaults out or if it is a stacked division at that weight. This would make it a true 16 man tournament. Plus give extra kids a chance to stand on a podium that might not get there otherwise.
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Post by finalist on Feb 14, 2011 19:14:39 GMT -5
Great idea.
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Post by Mike Meyers Sr. on Feb 15, 2011 16:48:36 GMT -5
Let all 33 Teams show up to the states seed accordingly. Have an all-star tournament like they use to help with seeding.
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Post by grnbypin69 on Feb 15, 2011 20:35:33 GMT -5
I really like the 33 team concept---too many athletes work to hard not to have a chance at the end of the year...yeah we know there are those that dominate..but that doesn't mean that everyone shouldn't have the chance...you never know--which is one of the things we all love about this sport---you put in the time you get the reward...Not having a D2 tourney this year was a mistake!
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Post by sugartits on Feb 17, 2011 7:05:20 GMT -5
I love it meyers sr.
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Post by grappler21 on Feb 17, 2011 11:50:39 GMT -5
its sad to say but as much as RI wrestling has imporved and progressed it is still being held back by an old regime or shall we say administration!!!!! lets bring sectionals to every one:
17 most Northern teams(ex:Cumberland, Woonsocket, Tolman, North Prov, East Prov, etc.)
17 most Southern teams (ex: Vets, NK, SK, Tolgate, etc.)
8 qualify from each = a true 16 man state bracket where every kid earned a spot instead of all these free passes
Wake Up ADMIN!!!!! Do the RIGHT thing!
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Post by wrestlingfan895 on Feb 19, 2011 22:42:38 GMT -5
After Monday's seeding meeting I can almost guarantee that the Division 2 sectionals will be back next year. For the obvious fact that as a result of quality division 2 wrestlers not wrestling in all 16 matches, the best wrestlers will not be seeded 1 and 2 and possibly not in the top 4. This is going to * off a lot of division 1 head coaches. For example: lets say the best wrestler at 189 pounds in division 2 misses 3 to 5 matches for personal reasons. The loss of power points could result in this wrestler finishing 4th in powerpoints (if he missed the match against the 3rd best wrestler no chance moving up the ladder). Now the best wrestler at 189 lbs in division 2 will wrestle the best wrestler in division 1 (A1) in the semis instead of the state finals. If there was a qualifier the best wrestler in division 2 will be seeded 4th at the sectional tournament but then win it resulting him as the number 1 seed in division 2
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Post by tommyd5555 on Feb 20, 2011 14:46:48 GMT -5
The RIIL web site shows the following for Friday, February 18: "Division 2 Dual Meet Tournament"; Does anyone know which school won the team title? Isn't this the same as the Sectionals?
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Post by finalist on Feb 20, 2011 14:53:12 GMT -5
i thought that was cancelled
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Post by wiseowl on Feb 20, 2011 22:25:36 GMT -5
After Monday's seeding meeting I can almost guarantee that the Division 2 sectionals will be back next year. For the obvious fact that as a result of quality division 2 wrestlers not wrestling in all 16 matches, the best wrestlers will not be seeded 1 and 2 and possibly not in the top 4. This is going to * off a lot of division 1 head coaches. For example: lets say the best wrestler at 189 pounds in division 2 misses 3 to 5 matches for personal reasons. The loss of power points could result in this wrestler finishing 4th in powerpoints (if he missed the match against the 3rd best wrestler no chance moving up the ladder). Now the best wrestler at 189 lbs in division 2 will wrestle the best wrestler in division 1 (A1) in the semis instead of the state finals. If there was a qualifier the best wrestler in division 2 will be seeded 4th at the sectional tournament but then win it resulting him as the number 1 seed in division 2 I'm sure D1 coaches will be fine w/ the results. If you look back in past yrs D1 is mostly dominant. 2010 only 7 of the 28 finalist were f/ D2, w/ only 2 being champs. While only 24 of the 84 medals went to D2. 2009 6 of 28 finalists were D2 with 3 champs and again 24 of 84 medals went to D2. 2008 was the year of the dog though, D2 had 12 of the 28 finalists w/ 10 champs, and 38 of the 84 medals going to D2. History supports D1 wrestlers as the dominant division. Mainly because most D1 schools have feeder programs and added depth in the practice room to force kids to work harder. Also that the best D2 teams eventually go up to D1. |
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Post by wiseowl on Feb 20, 2011 22:28:46 GMT -5
The RIIL web site shows the following for Friday, February 18: "Division 2 Dual Meet Tournament"; Does anyone know which school won the team title? Isn't this the same as the Sectionals? Smithfield, they were the only team there lol. It was cancelled because of lack of teams. But they do need to bring back the D2's I support that 100% |
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Post by tommyd5555 on Feb 21, 2011 13:47:12 GMT -5
Thank you. Does anyone know why the Dual Meet tournament went away, too? I think there wasn't one last year and doesn't look like one this year. Anyone have insight into why? BTW I maintain www.rihssports.com/ and if anyone has information on winners of the following sectional championships please let me know! 1993-94 B Sectionals 1994-95 B Sectionals 1995-96 B Sectionals 1996-97 C Sectionals 1999-00 B Sectionals |
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Post by helper on Feb 21, 2011 14:37:49 GMT -5
i believe the 96-97 sectional B champs was Johnston or EP not EG. I think 99-00 was Westerly or SK
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Post by pantherjhu on Feb 21, 2011 15:41:41 GMT -5
Helper, you're right about B sectionals in 96-97. Johnston and EP were top two (not sure in which order) with EG in third or fourth (Barrington is in the conversation with Goff, Martel, and others). EG would go on to place second in the state as a team a week later. EP and Barrington were each top 5 and Johnston not even top 10 if I remember correctly (a few of their big guns underperformed, eg. Desmarais who was section champion going one and out at states).
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Post by helper on Feb 21, 2011 16:07:27 GMT -5
actually barrington took second by .5 pts and the opposite of EP/Johnston took 3rd. I am almost positive Johnston won. Johnston had 3 great years in a row. EP moved up to D1 after that. It was a great couple years for Class B (not DII) Johnston crushed the state tournament in 99.
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