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Post by wrestlingfalcondad on Feb 26, 2022 20:12:04 GMT -5
Maybe the sectional did work, with only 15 Div 2/3 wrestlers "ranked," 21 are getting medals tomorrow. Tons of "upsets" today, great job all wrestlers.
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Post by riwrestling1975 on Feb 26, 2022 20:55:09 GMT -5
Maybe the sectional did work, with only 15 Div 2/3 wrestlers "ranked," 21 are getting medals tomorrow. Tons of "upsets" today, great job all wrestlers. Of course it did. Absolutely everyone should have to qualify for the state tournament. It only makes the wrestlers stronger and tougher in the end. The idea of just allowing everyone into the state tournament is a poorly thought out and lazy way of doing things. Our state should start with a bracket that has no more than 20 people (preferably 16) in it at every weight class. They don’t even score the first two rounds! Having a smaller bracket would lead some to think we would only need a one day tournament, but that’s not necessarily the case. Friday could be a short night with the full Saturday. Bottom line is that all wrestlers should earn their spot.
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Post by riwrestling1975 on Feb 26, 2022 20:56:52 GMT -5
Another "entity" that hasn't gotten much love on this site is this season's 182 lb. class. Looking at the brackets this weight which never gets mentioned among the "deep" classes in RI actually has the most returning placewinners in the entire tournament: six (counting Walton from 2020). With three returning placers on each side of the bracket and with other contenders like C. Sclama who has beaten Polion and Vieu in duals and Titre who beat Sclama in a dual there is no easy path to the title. These guys have pretty much beaten each other over the course of the season, and whomever emerges as the 182 champ will have earned it. This is by far the worst weight class in RI this year. There really isn’t anything else to say.
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Post by crosswrist20 on Feb 26, 2022 21:35:57 GMT -5
Maybe the sectional did work, with only 15 Div 2/3 wrestlers "ranked," 21 are getting medals tomorrow. Tons of "upsets" today, great job all wrestlers. Of course it did. Absolutely everyone should have to qualify for the state tournament. It only makes the wrestlers stronger and tougher in the end. The idea of just allowing everyone into the state tournament is a poorly thought out and lazy way of doing things. Our state should start with a bracket that has no more than 20 people (preferably 16) in it at every weight class. They don’t even score the first two rounds! Having a smaller bracket would lead some to think we would only need a one day tournament, but that’s not necessarily the case. Friday could be a short night with the full Saturday. Bottom line is that all wrestlers should earn their spot. Couldn’t agree more. RI state brackets should be reduced to 16 which would make for a better and hopefully smoother tournament as a whole. Also, about the seeding… some common sense needs to start being used when seeding some of these division 2 1’s. The D2-1 is realistically the d1-6 in terms of seeding… appoint a fair committee and seed 1-16 off a set of predetermined criteria. Examples of this would be the current problems at 138 and 220 with Bouyssou and Jarell. Both of them should be in better spots which would make for more accurate brackets. that’s just a thought.. would like to hear some opinions on it
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Post by ricmon2 on Feb 26, 2022 21:37:33 GMT -5
Good luck to everyone that made it to day 2 of the state championship! (Props to the central kid that made it to the finals at 126 I’ve never heard of him until today) This is why we should also be looking at the d2 and d3 schools. These kids from these schools work just as hard as the d1 schools. we just don’t look at the d2 d3 and just look at d1. We should be looking at Rhode Island wrestling as a whole not just by it’s division
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Post by pushinp on Feb 26, 2022 22:51:58 GMT -5
Good luck to everyone that made it to day 2 of the state championship! (Props to the central kid that made it to the finals at 126 I’ve never heard of him until today) . Ivan Mazariego from Central wrestled middle school at gilbert stuart and for best the streets two big upsets today against ponagansett and north providence 126
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Post by wiseowl on Feb 27, 2022 11:39:42 GMT -5
Of course it did. Absolutely everyone should have to qualify for the state tournament. It only makes the wrestlers stronger and tougher in the end. The idea of just allowing everyone into the state tournament is a poorly thought out and lazy way of doing things. Our state should start with a bracket that has no more than 20 people (preferably 16) in it at every weight class. They don’t even score the first two rounds! Having a smaller bracket would lead some to think we would only need a one day tournament, but that’s not necessarily the case. Friday could be a short night with the full Saturday. Bottom line is that all wrestlers should earn their spot. Couldn’t agree more. RI state brackets should be reduced to 16 which would make for a better and hopefully smoother tournament as a whole. Also, about the seeding… some common sense needs to start being used when seeding some of these division 2 1’s. The D2-1 is realistically the d1-6 in terms of seeding… appoint a fair committee and seed 1-16 off a set of predetermined criteria. Examples of this would be the current problems at 138 and 220 with Bouyssou and Jarell. Both of them should be in better spots which would make for more accurate brackets. that’s just a thought.. would like to hear some opinions on it The D2-1 does fall on the 6 seed line but only due to the brackets being mirrored. The best from D1 and D2/3 are separated. How do you seed D1 and D2/3 accordingly when there isn’t much crossover? Separate the best wrestlers and the brackets do that.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Feb 27, 2022 14:42:08 GMT -5
Couldn’t agree more. RI state brackets should be reduced to 16 which would make for a better and hopefully smoother tournament as a whole. Also, about the seeding… some common sense needs to start being used when seeding some of these division 2 1’s. The D2-1 is realistically the d1-6 in terms of seeding… appoint a fair committee and seed 1-16 off a set of predetermined criteria. Examples of this would be the current problems at 138 and 220 with Bouyssou and Jarell. Both of them should be in better spots which would make for more accurate brackets. that’s just a thought.. would like to hear some opinions on it The D2-1 does fall on the 6 seed line but only due to the brackets being mirrored. The best from D1 and D2/3 are separated. How do you seed D1 and D2/3 accordingly when there isn’t much crossover? Separate the best wrestlers and the brackets do that. With Bouyssou and Jarrell being state champions the year prior, they both should’ve been awarded the 1 seed. The way the seeding works for the D2 wrestlers normally works however with defending state champions being in a weird place in the bracket it should be altered slightly for those special cases.
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Post by statechamp0405 on Feb 28, 2022 8:01:56 GMT -5
Sadly no one mentions the 126lb central kid got hurt at sectionals. Possibly could have been a state champ if division 1 had to wrestle also in sectionals.
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Post by coachebed on Feb 28, 2022 8:26:47 GMT -5
Seeing definitely needs to change d2/d3 1 should not be seeded 6th. D2/D3 Results are the following 2 1st place finishes 2 2nd place finishes 4 3rd place finishes 5 4th place finishes 4 5th place finishes 5 6th place finishes
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Post by tday on Feb 28, 2022 10:08:01 GMT -5
The D2-1 does fall on the 6 seed line but only due to the brackets being mirrored. The best from D1 and D2/3 are separated. How do you seed D1 and D2/3 accordingly when there isn’t much crossover? Separate the best wrestlers and the brackets do that. With Bouyssou and Jarrell being state champions the year prior, they both should’ve been awarded the 1 seed. The way the seeding works for the D2 wrestlers normally works however with defending state champions being in a weird place in the bracket it should be altered slightly for those special cases. Jarrell lost to Big John in the finals last year.
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Post by armbargod69 on Feb 28, 2022 11:51:52 GMT -5
Sadly no one mentions the 126lb central kid got hurt at sectionals. Possibly could have been a state champ if division 1 had to wrestle also in sectionals. While he had a good run, Myers has wrestled better kids around the country than Mazariego and come out on top. D1 wrestling at sectionals wasn't going to change a thing. Great to see new singlet in the finals this year though, it is not every season that a Central kid makes it there.
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Post by jim on Feb 28, 2022 12:13:42 GMT -5
The only way I see a d1 sectionals is if they change the format of state to a 1 day tournament with only 16 man brackets 10 from d1 and 8 from d2/d3. Which is on the table for the next coaches meeting. RIIL has agreed to the change if the coach's/ads can agree on something.
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Post by shoot on Mar 1, 2022 8:22:41 GMT -5
Most weight classes had only 20-21 kids! You guys are asking to eliminate 4,5 kids per bracket.why? I'm a sport where need participation would we be trying to discourage them from the state tourney? Maybe one of those kids gets a win, maybe he just wrestles better than he ever had but takes 2 losses. We're not in a place where we need a sectional. We're in a place where we need more kids and then we can maybe talk about a sectional. The middle school states brackets we not great. We should be looking for ways to keep kids interested and motivated in wrestling not looking for ways to eliminate them. Just my opinion
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Post by crosswrist20 on Mar 1, 2022 10:15:42 GMT -5
Most weight classes had only 20-21 kids! You guys are asking to eliminate 4,5 kids per bracket.why? I'm a sport where need participation would we be trying to discourage them from the state tourney? Maybe one of those kids gets a win, maybe he just wrestles better than he ever had but takes 2 losses. We're not in a place where we need a sectional. We're in a place where we need more kids and then we can maybe talk about a sectional. The middle school states brackets we not great. We should be looking for ways to keep kids interested and motivated in wrestling not looking for ways to eliminate them. Just my opinion To make the bracket more competitive.. you shouldn’t be able to qualify for your state tournament if you are 2-10 in division one.. make a sectional tournament for all divisions and split it however the coaches see fit. I’d say 10 kids from division one and 6 from d2/d3 for a full 16 man bracket… many kids in other states never have the opportunity to wrestle at their state tournament due to the qualifying tournaments you have to do well in. if you want to wrestle at the state tournament, earn it.. I am all for growing the sport but just letting someone into the state tournament because “they want to” isn’t really a good reason.
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Post by shoot on Mar 1, 2022 21:59:53 GMT -5
Not sure how eliminating 4 kids bc you feel like it makes it "more competitive". I mean that's what we're talking about. 4 kids in every bracket... We're not like every other state. They fill 64 man brackets we can't fill 32. Having 20 kids in a bracket vs 16 is literally 45 min on day one. By all means grow the sport... Then we can talk about how too structure sectionals. Otherwise... Just wrestle maybe we see some upsetd like we do every year... Including this one. Most weight classes had only 20-21 kids! You guys are asking to eliminate 4,5 kids per bracket.why? I'm a sport where need participation would we be trying to discourage them from the state tourney? Maybe one of those kids gets a win, maybe he just wrestles better than he ever had but takes 2 losses. We're not in a place where we need a sectional. We're in a place where we need more kids and then we can maybe talk about a sectional. The middle school states brackets we not great. We should be looking for ways to keep kids interested and motivated in wrestling not looking for ways to eliminate them. Just my opinion To make the bracket more competitive.. you shouldn’t be able to qualify for your state tournament if you are 2-10 in division one.. make a sectional tournament for all divisions and split it however the coaches see fit. I’d say 10 kids from division one and 6 from d2/d3 for a full 16 man bracket… many kids in other states never have the opportunity to wrestle at their state tournament due to the qualifying tournaments you have to do well in. if you want to wrestle at the state tournament, earn it.. I am all for growing the sport but just letting someone into the state tournament because “they want to” isn’t really a good reason.
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Post by riwrestling1975 on Mar 2, 2022 0:34:24 GMT -5
Not sure how eliminating 4 kids bc you feel like it makes it "more competitive". I mean that's what we're talking about. 4 kids in every bracket... We're not like every other state. They fill 64 man brackets we can't fill 32. Having 20 kids in a bracket vs 16 is literally 45 min on day one. By all means grow the sport... Then we can talk about how too structure sectionals. Otherwise... Just wrestle maybe we see some upsetd like we do every year... Including this one. To make the bracket more competitive.. you shouldn’t be able to qualify for your state tournament if you are 2-10 in division one.. make a sectional tournament for all divisions and split it however the coaches see fit. I’d say 10 kids from division one and 6 from d2/d3 for a full 16 man bracket… many kids in other states never have the opportunity to wrestle at their state tournament due to the qualifying tournaments you have to do well in. if you want to wrestle at the state tournament, earn it.. I am all for growing the sport but just letting someone into the state tournament because “they want to” isn’t really a good reason. So then just let everyone into the state tournament just because? I mean because that’s the alternative and we have already learned that it did nothing but dilute competition and crush the division 2/3 teams even further. How do you build a program? Give them something to win at. If a team goes years unable to compete with the big schools, numbers drop. It should be a 16 man bracket, or go to the way it was back in the day and eliminate the pig tail losers at the beginning of the tournament. D1 doesn’t need a sectionals, but they need something to take out the bottom 2-3 people that have no business being at the state tournament. Then the ENTIRE tournament can be scored. Not sure what is so wrong with taking out 4 more people, saving a round of wrestling especially when it gets everyone out early in a Friday night. Everyone complains that if it’s a 16 man bracket that we would only have a one day tournament but it’s not true. Just organize the time correctly and it can continue to be two days (really a day and a half). Btw, doing semis the first night of the tournament was strange and should never happen again.
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Post by shoot on Mar 2, 2022 6:58:29 GMT -5
I agree with the semis being wrestled on day 1...I thought that was strange as well.
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Post by JimmyM on Mar 9, 2022 19:00:21 GMT -5
Bentancur 17th and Joyce 20th in the latest Flo National Rankings. Bouyssou still not ranked but you’d have to imagine it won’t be long until he cracks the list. Can make the argument for any of those three as Top P4P in RI.
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Post by JimmyM on Mar 9, 2022 20:03:02 GMT -5
Final P4P IMO
1. Bouyssou 2. Joyce 3. Bentancur 4. Meyers 5. Ellis
HM Jarrell
RI returning 4 of 5 Top P4P, bright future.
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